What should our ministry goals be?

Ministry goals?
God has a great levelling system. It’s called fire. Every mans work will be tested by fire to see whether we build with something of straw or gold.
It’s kind of handy to short circuit the fire by building in Gods fire to begin with.
If you are building in any other name but Christ, then it’s going to come down. Your name. The Anglican Name. Any denomination or moves name.
People randomly praying in revivals for weeks months years, should know there is a definite protocol. One is according to the meaning of the 12 Gates of Jerusalem that Nehemiah was building.
Pastors running churches should learn local churches are run by Jesus not by single pastors. Just like DAvid had to learn you can’t do what the Philistines do with the Ark of God on a cart, even if it’s a brand new one. You cannot run a church with a human CEO. It’s not a business.
Worship leaders should know worship is always in the context of making sacrificial space for the incoming Kingdom. You can’t buy the Kingdom but you can make space for it. We give to projects. We praise and worship within the context of growing relationship, steps of growing faith,stepping out of the boat into water. God always calls us to the impossible. God is always asking to move in further , to fuse with us more.
Training other saints is organic. Just like bringing up children is according to leading them in the ways they should go. Seminaries are quick work rounds. They are at one remove. 1 Corinthians 12-14 , and Ephesians 4 are the patterns for growth training and discipleship. Real church is community and Word and Divine Seed are given in that context in the midst of real life events.

All the gifts and graces are to form Christ within your soul from the “complete in you Christ “in your spirit . Praying , fasting, worship, teaching , all the gifts among the saints, they are all to establish you in Galatians 2.20 consciousness.
Christ in you the hope of glory.
Discernment of spirits, walking in the Light , words of knowledge and wisdom.... they are all to accelerate you in The Way, so your senses become more quickly attuned to righteousness which is a spirit, not just an outer behaviour.
Most churches are way off course in their actual aims, they get lost in their own jungles of what they are trying to achieve.
If we make Psalm 123 Living a priority and we are doing as the Master bids, hardly anything will be burned by fire, since it originated in Him, and has been carried to completion by Him Living our lives in us.

The Huge Craziness of God's Wonderful Plan

Can any of you grasp the hugeness of what God is really up to?
Superimpose these sorts of ideas together in a giant piggyback.
The Heavenly Tabernacle
Psalm 19 day to day pours forth speech though actual leftbrain articulation is not itself heard ie it’s spoken direct to our depths
Ezekiel 47 and the ever deepening River
The leaven of the Kingdom shall fill the whole earth
And mash all those in with a good coating the parable of the vineyard and how the people waiting inline in the square joined at the very point that the Kingdom vineyard had reached and got instantly paid as much as those labouring all day.

So what do you end up with?
Well you then realise why the Gentiles hitched a ride where the very Light level had reached in the earth and hopped on the bus at Pentecost, or in Heavenly Tabernacle terms the holy place. They didn’t then go through thousands of years of Jews in the outer courts again.
Now it’s true that the Catholic Church proceeded to then wind everything back to an Old Covenant scheme again with priests and hierarchies.... but they came way later... and don’t as a rule obey anything written in the gospel of JOHN about worshipping in spirit and truth.... they are what they are.... Catholics.
But all the real genuine God moves who obeyed JOHN chapter 3 and following the Spirit of God, the tide has been rising.
So as the leaven fills the earth, the very resistance of Satan is actually and embarrassingly for him, the leverage that catapults the new people of God yet higher.
We saw this with the “ giants in the Land of Canaan” Humanly you wouldn’t build earths only “ true God project” in the one part of the world still inhabited by giants and enemy offspring.
Satan then tried to kill off the worlds only Saviour and was successful. Except God had preplanned it all that way to be the Lamb that took away the sin of the world.
Now when the rest of the earth came to the Lord they leapt in at this new anointed priesthood level....
We are a nation of kings and priests.

The very same leverage is being applied right now in the worlds ever biggest resistance movement against the Lord and His anointed see psalm 2 and Isaiah 60.

Why is the rise of Antichrist at this global level so significant ?

Because unlike the disastrously low level of faith in America such that they are only believing for people to squeak home into a rapture...

The real purpose of God like a tube of toothpaste, is for all these current labourings in the earth to squeeze out a people who find God in this new glory level, the third level, the holiest place level.....
Where the glory of the latter house far far supersedes anything before it.

And you can see even now this is not too big a thing for the Holy Spirit.
Reproducing Galatians 2.20 in every Body member who are now brought into the Kingdom at this Light level,
Produces a holiest place people
Who are stacked out with the three forms Word takes
Life and living..... the tablets
The "now Rhema Light of God" or manna in which all now walk together
But three..... the almond stick

Not one Moses this time, but a Moses people commanding the heavens and the earth to loose the Dragon off our planet completely and forever...

And all this mercy seat imagery covered directly by one massive Shekinah glory cloud anointing.

Jews rejected Jesus and He just continued anyway .... bringing in more Gentiles.

Well now the Jews and the Gentile Churches reject Jesus as He is now, so He is just throwing the gospel out to the last very reaches of the whole earth, but this time in the form of
Not a firstlevel forgiveness gospel
Not even a secondlevel Holy Spirit Infilling affair where people can end up with a flask of anointing oil yes, but remain foolish virgins.

No God is using Satan’s leverage to catapult a whole new people in at the level of full harvest
Filled with Christ in our forms as us

Where Jesus says to His people
Not only do you move in power

BUT I KNOW YOU THROUGH AND THROUGH AND YOU ARE MINE!!!

David's New Cart is a Bigger Parable than we thought

2 Samuel Chapter 6


David's New Cart is a fabulously rich allegory.
It speaks at every level flesh is to be found.
It speaks of the Catholics dire work round solution concerning the Mass.....has to be the biggest New Cart on earth at the moment.
But the New Cart also speaks into the second level....
the charismatic merrygo round in precisely the same way as the episode of Jesus by the pool of Bethsaida, and I must thank the apostolic figure Alan Vincent for perceiving that one back in 1976.
NEW CART dogs all forms of thirdlevel operations
E. Stanley Jones
The Move under Sam Fife - Daniel Yordy will tell you best about that
Certain aspects of me on here are new Cart.....for example some of what I am doing is sharing stuff of such purity that like Onan , I am spilling seed on the ground ready to be stamped underfoot by people that just cant hear it....and Jesus speaks soooooo strongly about that. "If you are not received shake your sandals (or trainers) from your feet and move on"
The Union Crowd's non involvement with the baptism in the Spirit and the Spirit revelations of how the Body is built is pure NEW CART.
Since Norman Grubb began his articulation of that which Christ worked in him at the precise time he was with Jessie Penn Lewis.....on the one side it has been the wisdom of God to get a fantastic leftbrain version out in several of his books culminating with "Yes I Am", but in another just going from little housegroup to little housegroup holding little lectures is incredibly NEW CART.
It's like the Communists nicked the method of proliferation of their radical ideas through little communist cells staright out of John Wesley's "Class Meeting Idea".
But God never ever said in scripture to hold class meetings.John Wesley got that from Oxford University tutorial systems which comes via Jesuitry from Greek Mystery religions and ultimately back to the rebellious tribe of Dan .
It's very sweet Norman Grubb helping God out by inventing the modern Christian Union in Universities
...InterVarsity Fellowship and the associated InterVarsity Press.....
But what that did was proliferate this awful leftbrain locked form of Christianity which, like David's Cart was a quick work round solution, .....
Hey it's good enough for the Philistines it's good enough for us,David said.
God said It isn't good enough for you because my Presence isn't safe in crucibles of man's design. People die.
Back a moment to first and secondlevel Christianity and the thirdlevel Christian Community which imploded in Colden Common, Near Southampton UK.
What did they all have in common?
THE NEW CART WORKROUND SOLUTION OF A SINGLE PYRAMID PASTOR!!!!
Colden Common exploded into thin air because third levellers at that time were still infected with the Catholic Pagan overhang of ONE MAN overseeing a local congregation.( obviously Catholics call them priests or "fathers". But Jesus says call no man father.)
Two Pastors fought and knocked both of them out of the coop.
As far as I can tell since the early 80s there isnt a single thirdlevel church in the UK. And because of its New Cart features it is arguable whether the UK ever had a thirdlevel Church.
Are any of you getting how endemic our propensity to build what God isnt building ....or to use methods that come out of the mind of man and not purely by the Spirit of God?
And don't think Jesus had an easy time either.
Within a few short chapters of the gospels, he went from Benny Hinn multitude type operations, to actually turning the other direction when he saw the multitudes coming out of the cities and towns.
So I am not really condemning anyone....I am saying we are all learning on the hoof how today's new wineskins work according to the Blueprint of the heavenly Tabernacle.
EVERY GENERATION AND THEIR NEEDS AND LIFESTYLES ARE DIFFERENT.....BUT ITS THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT GUIDING US THROUGH THE "MANSIONS OF GOD" THAT JESUS HAS PREPARED.

From Supplied to.....to SUPPLIER

rivers of living water

To take one area...just one...
of the move from "survival" to "contribution"
of the move from Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" to the Tree of Life
of baby "supplied to "Christianity to adult or thirdlevel SUPPLIER Christianity
it means coming into a revelation of El Shaddai the Supplier God, the knowledge that the whole of God's creation is one of flow, of seed and harvest, of provision
But NOT in the immature vision of American condominiums and Cadillacs
BUT IN THE CONTEXT of the raising of ONE MATURE MAN IN CHRIST.
This is purely one of the Rivers that will flow out of our innermost being.
Ask any entrepreneur....
THE BIG CHANGEOVER IS NOT FROM POVERTY TO INNUMERABLE PENNIES !!!
YOU CAN DO THAT OVERNIGHT SHOULD YOU BE A LOTTERY WINNER
But if that is all you have on your insides you will be a LOTTERY LOSER.
No, ask any entrepreneur
It's the POWER TO MAKE WEALTH.
God promised Israel the POWER to make wealth.
So Hitler or Stalin can strip from them every penny, but in one generation they will still largely own
New York or London or wherever.....
because all that they had stolen from them was pennies...
nobody stole their "power to make wealth".
Our power to make wealth isn't from Ganesh or some Indian god......who is really a spiritual power in the secondheavens, squatting like The Hobbit's Smaug on largely stolen wealth....
Our power doesn't really even come from the firstlevel Christian understanding of an out there God arbitrarily answering our prayers for deliverance when He feels like it...."If it be thy will"....
NO it's more the abundance of an Ephesians 1 Revelation
Of a GOD who is TOTAL
whose Divine energy sustains all things because He is in all,
and in us too who believe
and also in those who don't believe, but don't know it yet.
Please, in describing God's allness, I am not going Buddhist either....HE IS ALL THIS while also being the Personal God and Father who numbers all the hairs of our head.
The real purpose of this post is to describe in just one area of life what it means to move into the Thirdlevel of believing.
The Entrepreneur will tell you it's not changing a philosophy of mind in a Harvard Business School. All you learn there are the material constructs by which our outer money system works.
If you become a Mason, or swear to Lucifer on some way, yes he will take of some of his stolen money and tip some of it your way.....
But this is not the POWER to make wealth.
God's Power flows out of our innards.
The entrepreneur has hunches.
He has an ability to imagine and envisage BEFORE anybody has put any toothpaste on their brush in the morning.
It's a sensitivity to the "flow" in the universe which is only an echo of God's Divine flow in the heavenlies,
always deeper richer wider.....
This is why Give and it shall be given unto you works
Not because it is a magic ritual.....you DO A THING and ZAPPO God does another thing PING!
No God is kickstaring us into the flow direction of the universe which is in "contribution".....in AGAPE /OTHER LOVE (love for others)
To do "Contribution"....you must believe God's Nature is Supplier.
The Wombats in the New World Order (the Illuminati) think out of their pyramid maths sheet of "dwindling supplies"
so they have invented Agenda 21 to reduce the world's population by nine tenths
Because they only have faith for our current supply, because they are the devil's materialists.
God looks at every individual man and woman as many Rivers of Divine Supply....check out John 7.38
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From [i]his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 4 " but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”

Down the gun barrel

Can I explain about thirdlevel stuff? When a thirdlevel guy is looking down a gun barrel at you..... at least that's how it feels....
When R Edward Miller is looking straight through you
When Mother Basilea Schlink is coming for you....
When I appear to be looking at you violently....
When you or I feel queasy in such a situation....
Those thirdlevellers really are coming for you....
But they are coming for every hidden lingering Genesis 3 thinking orphan thinking shame thinking figleaf thinking lie thinking.... ( that God isn't pure goodness)
And you are wondering where in earth those feelings suddenly came from.
Basilea in her German English said when you feel like you are in a washing machine and you don't know which way is up!!!!! Which is a brilliant description....
All this weirdness is part of our hidden operating systems and the gift of grace upon ministry is to see it with the single eye....
Not the Satanic single eye of dominion terror and condemnation .... the New World Order.....
No the eye..... like Jesus .... two seconds after commending Peter for his revelation about who He was.... now addressing the lingering serpent in Peters thinking.... you don't have to die!!!!!
Get behind me Satan
Satan isn't you.... but he has been masquerading as you for so long to take you into destruction that it sure feels like you when a ministry is coming at you...
But it's not you they are after....
It's all that last " Satan as you" thinking of the independent self of Genesis 3.
Personally if I wanted to grow in Christ I'd realise that it's going to involve Spirit surgery either direct or in the Body walking in Light or having thirdlevellers round to visit who have already had a lot of their surgery....
Yuh... instead of shunning the thirdlevel and being like Israelites circling a mountain for 40 years....
I'd tend to book an appointment with the Melchizedek order right now.
Lord.... dynamite out workers into the harvest... into my harvest...
But by all means if you like circling mountains stay with Hillsongs or Bethel or Benny Hinn.
Jesus came to Bethesda and said to the guy waiting for the angel to move the waters.... do you want to still bother with this endless cycle....
Or do you want healing and deliverance today?
The lame man walked out of the Angel Healing Club that day.
The question is never God.
The question is you. What do you want? But be prepared for the washing machine and being turned upside down.

Third Level Excursion

Everyone has their stories. Usually the technique God gives is prayer and fasting. In the charismatic move many are the men and women that pray and fast then launch forth in the anointing.

But I want to break it down a further level under the microscope.
Here's how it happened for me when I was 20.

1. Doing something normal but God's way
I was a language student.Language students get practice by visiting their subject's nation in their summer holidays. In France, students pick grapes....or join student collectives that farm you out to different situations...in a family....extra English tuition to French schoolchildren.
God said NO.
He said find the most lively church in Paris and write to them.
This was November 77. Rue de Musset church Paris.
February, they wrote back and said there was no one to stay with.

2. Waiting
Absolutely convinced in my knower that my leading wasn't wrong. I waited upon the Lord....carried on my Exeter studies.
3. Waiting until egg on my face.....waiting until it was stupid
Summer holidays themselves came.
Nothing.
Still felt God was up to something. That internal excitement that has nothing to do with visuals.
4.Just do what is in your hands to do.
My parents thought I was completely stupid. They needed their huge hedge doing, so I did their hedge. It was now two weeks before Dales Bible Week at the end of my holidays
5.BANG!!!! God moves
I was just on my last section of hedge when the phone rings from Northern France. "We used to be in rue de Musset, are now in Normandie and need some help with a student.Can you come immediately?"
6. Thirdlevel Portal wide open.
From that phonecall nothing was normal for two weeks.
Arrived as a 20 year old student to help with English and help round the farm....until the next morning.
The family were Christians converted supernaturally....one was 80% paralysed by a heart attack and in a chair...and pensioned off as disabled by the French state. The Dad had then been 100% healed, converted, but the french atheist state wouldn't believe it and continued paying him as an invalid!!!! This helped them set up a "Ville de refuge" as God called them to build a city of refuge through Oral Roberts .
The mother had an epileptic fit the first breakfast. The anointing hit me like lightning and I zapped her, she fell asleep, came round two hours later 100% healed. This family didn't do half healings!!!!
A year later the Statedid recognise this and gave her back her driving licence.
We had an episode with angels singing outside our car which the Dad and myself both heard and sang to....thinking it was the other person's song.
We networked with leading french apostolic types. We travelled up and down the country. I was received as a prophet so this pulled my Prophetic anointing out of me.
Loads of answers to prayer....and then believing to get back to Dales....but the plane was full....so had to believe for a space....which suddenly occurred.....

Just another realm. And as those who pray and fast know...this is how the portal opens....

But I now want to tell you something more shocking...
Because up until now we only knew the first and secondlevel Christianity which is
IN and OUT of the anointing.... referring by the way to 1 John 2

Thirdlevel is even more dynamic.
You see it's not the fasting that is the point. All fasting does is centres you down to living very sensitively from your KNOWER within. In the Old Testament the verse is
Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength.

In Aramaic renew means two things
EXCHANGE.....your strength...
AND like ROPE....entwine your cord with God's Cord.

CENTERING DOWN...or GOING INTO YOUR INNER ROOM....
is entwining God's DNA around your DNA. it is much more specific than Buddhism.....which gets you to blank your mind so any which demon or principality can entwine round you and possess you, ultimately capturing you.....
God is always about freewill....
And far from feeling trapped....
If you entwine round His Psalm 19 frequency.....Day to day pours forth speech.....
You open portals of great power for God's divine blessing...

Here's the shocker....
The thirdlevel walk....which is Christ as you Galatians 2. 20....does this full time.
Romans 12 1-2 is this continuous thirdlevel walk.
You don't go where you want to go....you don't do what you want to do....but permanently in your innards Christ is imprinting on you

I come to do THY WILL O LORD....behold it is written of me in the scroll......about this state of just doing what the father is doing...but in your own Christ branch form.

In other words the "fasting thing" and the "all night prayer meeting thing" and all this feverish activity of the secondlevel is now swallowed up in a
24/7 Freefall of faith
where you are effectively "risking" or "betting with your whole existence"....because each of us only has one life.....that God will show up and do His thing through our bodies.

We sow in weakness....but we reap in eternal glory.....and also the odd revival portal opening up in our time space world.

As the whole church adopts this thirdlevel walk we get to
Kick the Illuminati
Kick princip[alities and powers
Kick the last enemy which is Death
off the planet.

God's Grace Power is made available in weakness.

One last thing....Paul let me in on something when he wrote this phrase......do good to all that in the Day of visitation all may glorify God on behalf of you.....

Do you catch the inevitability of Revival in that phrase?
Ed Miller proved it. He triggered at least 5 in his lifetime beginning with Argentina.
This is the outworking of the thirdlevel teaching regarding the Gates of Jerusalem......
Gates no 2 and 9 are revival type Gates. Revival or Ingathering Gate 9....the Eastern gate is the POSHEST GATE.....
It is what was going on in the Spirit in the explosion in Acts 2.
it's inevitable. If you do the Spirit cycle of the other Gates properly.....like an egg timer revival goes off automatically in the Spirit when that point is reached!!!!!!

it's like a woman after 9 months.....she doesn't have to wonder whether it's 12 months or 13 months.....when 9 months is reached the egg timer goes off and her body does what it does!!!!!!

Can you start to see why the devil hates thirdlevel teaching....and why although I have 1700 acquaintances on facebook , only 2 or 3 at any time comment???? The devil doesn't want any of you knowing this stuff or the planet will be set free......
And then GUESS who comes for TEA in the 9TH GATE when everything is completed?????

YUP.....Our Bridegroom comes rolling in!!!!!!!! See, the Bible has nothing to do with American Christianity at all. They can go on believing their cult ways as long as they like but Psalm 134, Ephesians 6 and psalm 149 say completely different things. Leave the Americans to their popcorn, we Brits, Africans and Asians will get on with opening thirdlevel portals!!!!!

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Chris Welch John Edwards Well I'm one of your three Chris. Great piece, I love this and try to live it. My journey has been similar, I can't find any presence in most of what goes on in 'Church' these days, Third level is where we are meant to live, move and have our being. A question, what's your thoughts on present things in the world regarding 'End Times'? God has been speaking to me re world happenings this last week or so and it crossed my mind to ask your slant. you know Russia, Turkey, Middle East, Isis, USA etc. I'm not sure so that's why I ask, so many conflicting teachings out there its hard to know.
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Chris Welch The protocols of Zion which Barry Smith never really mentioned by name, but was the blueprint he worked to....state that thir aim is to produce consternation and precisely the confusion we all feel.
They set off alarm clocks to all go off at once.
Obviously the Wars and Communism were three....
but the 60s was something different....the Cold War was obviously like the "rumours of wars" that Jesus speaks of....
but we weren't actually at war. Yet they set off loads and loads of things to go off in the 60s and look natural. They effectively cut the old order with a knife, right through the West. From then on we nolonger treated those in power deferentially, religion became "irrelevant", they launched the youth explosion in order to weaken the old Guard and bring in their programming. Women though liberated provided a secondary source of income so mortgages could double and triple, against which the credit card was born. Kids were then taught by the state from age 3 destroying all belief systems which now didn't have long enough to pass from parent to children......most of this is also in the Protocols written in 1880 we think by Lionel de rothschild.

So in answer to your question, loads more alarm clocks have been set to go off in our present period of such complexity....(which they actually talk about in the Protcols in terms of fine watch springs) that no one person can get to the bottom of the sets of DUALISMS they have built into the world system.
ISIS....causes wave of immigrants....and also kills and displaces Christians from all Muslim countries.....which means as Trump says we cannot but help but take in destructive forces to our nations.

In 2009 a German reliable Spirit filled prophet warned that a huge explosion was going to go off in the desert of Syria and we are not to be alarmed. So whether this will be nuclear or made to look nuclear.....
Nuclear doesn't help much if you want to take over the earth shortly after....so like a Tom Cruise film....I guess it will appear nuclear but be harmless.....

But as the plans of Darkness reach their height God IS PREPARING a Gideon 300....this time all over the world....and obviously in my jargon I call it thirdlevel.....many use other names....but in the Spirit it's about a mature overcoming church.....quite different from the fat lazy Jabba the Hutt type Blob that is
non born again denominationalism
evangelicalism
and
Bless Me "Ra Ra Ra" Charismatic merrygo rounds.

John, just like God got hold of you
In Iceland in Rekjavic God suddenly got hold of a pimp mafia guy who became a street pastor 3 or 4 years ago....

and in the last few months God has done the same here in Bognor Regis with a guy who was a major UK drug trafficker and who was about to machine gun down a roomful of rivals.....when God zapped him and said...."don't you dare pull that trigger....."
He then was converted and has become a new leading pastor down here.....

All these new guys are being zapped direct with downloads on thirdlevel principles without having to go through the years and years that we have been through....

So watch out for these guys....they are this new church God is building out of wrecks and Mary Magdalens!!!! They come pre-broken!!!!! straight off the conveyor belt.
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My life offends people. Some of it is genuine offense...ie my own selfishness. Some of it is the Spirit moving in a hebrews 4 type slicng action through me. Some of it isn't me doing anything. I mean, having been utterly confused by Methodism for my 1st 12 years and assuming for a year 'there must be no God then!'.....when in our valley loads of kids my age joined me in becoming real Christians....I was still so confused as I read the Bible. 

So at 14 I kind of gave up and said to the Holy Spirit...
"Look I have absolutely no idea how to get to the things in the Bible, and I notice English Christians don't know either....so lead me." And lead me He has.

I'm not quite where I want to be...but I offend people. Because I have let the Holy Spirit form my life. And yeah...like most characters in the Bible my life looks a mess...but I have learned some of the tricks of letting Jesus live My life. He knows better than I do what He is after. I am not on my own. There may not be many in Havant or Waterlooville....but since 2008 I have discovered there are plenty doing this. I have met them online. For 25 years I couldn't really share anything, but to my delight nearly half a million pages have now (July 2014)been read on my blog.

A lot now know what I am talking about and write in exactly the same way. This was my experience in the 70s when church people discovered the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Now this is understood in every town up and down Britain and USA and in Africa and Latin America. So having been part of spearheading that 40 years ago, I have full Spirit confidence that people will soon understand the next stage in their thousands upon thousands. I have the same inner hunch about this that I had 40 years ago about the previous move.
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Betty Lorine Schwabedissen AMEN, BROTHER CHRIS!

Well, I am impressed!!!

Well, I am impressed .
I have just come back from cleaning in the pub to find that yet again the Yes I am post by Norman Grubb is high in the readership Top Ten this week. At least one reason for the blog has been to promote this last book by Norman Grubb which can be read in instalments here, or bought as a book or on Kindle. Yet, even though this blog has now existed for 6 years next month, and has had nearly half a million hits, could i ever get Norman's book in my Top 10 list???? NOPE. And it always puzzled me.

Similarly right now, a propos of nothing....or maybe the Kindle announcement....I find people have naturally been pushing this post or set of posts up the top ten.
WHICH I SAY AGAIN really encourages me. This is part of what this very blog is here for!!!!!


The Yes I am series is here

Through Eyes Of Fire Series by Daniel Yordy: Kathy Macdonald speaks....

I don't know of any book which pushes back any more of the internal boundaries of seeing, and out from there into the whole of the world around than this book.
Perhaps some would suggest others, but as one who also counts himself as a person who listens inside heaven's door for the next corporate Word to the church, and has done so since being baptised in the Spirit in 1972, I know of none.

Before we commence this series which I have intended to do for about a month, something occurred over the weekend that I felt was a real key. You see unless you happen to be a student of Jacob Boehme from the 1600s or Fenelon, Guyon or Molinos, this inner trek into Christ might seem really bizarre. Many are the people in both the evangelical and charismatic movements who actually decry it.
In the evangelical church anything outside of the immediate grasp of the thin portion of our leftbrain frontal cortex known as our conscious step by step thinking and articulating mind, is considered as bogus. But in the charismatic wing where this "moving out beyond" is the norm, otherwise known as true repentance or "meta- noia"..moving beyond the nous  (pronounced NOWCE)...it is still largely regarded as navel gazing. In both wings of the church there is a deep distrust that we can ever rely on the deepest parts of our heart to know anything. And this is sad, because that precise area is where we get to really know everything, if we are going to know a matter at all.

Both this blog, and  thirdlevel teaching is not some fad, some passing fancy. As yet, it is in fact just the size of a cloud as big as a man's hand. But as more and more race inward and actually perform what was prophesied about the end generation in Psalm 110 and Psalm 24.....reference finding the order of Melchizedek, and seeking the face of God like Jacob at Peniel....
the more people are going to be "splitting the atom".

Splitting the atom ...
is a Chris Welch jargon phrase which refers back to something I said to  Barbara Rogerson in Romford. I felt the small groups who were starting to work with the thirdlevel revelation of Galations 2:20 were exactly like the scientists in the USA who were working on splitting the atom during the 1939-45 War. While the whole of the rest of the military were caught up in the theatre of war...and I use that precise phrase assuredly, these scientists appeared a backroom nonentity. They weren't ofcourse, as history shows. You could say the same equally about the cracking of the code of the Enigma machine at Bletchley Park, for they were the ones who laid many of the ground rules for all computing to come.
But the Americans ofcourse came up with the Hiroshima bomb which ended the war. The third level is the actual operation of the born again Christ life. It may look small but it is the actual key as Norman Grubb shares, to everything. It's a huge glory explosion waiting to go off!

The third level is HERE NOW. It was always here. It was the pattern behind Abraham , Isaac and Jacob. It was the pattern behind the three sections of Moses existence. It was what shaped Elijah and Elisha. It's the difference between the 2 anointed men, Saul and David. 
But in corporate form now it is tiny weeny, a person here and a person there.
It's the story behind Graham Pulkingham who then went on to the UK to lay one of the first real foundations of an interconnected Spirit Church as family together.
Hey , Chris, you say..."We've got that!"
I might have said that at Emsworth Church. I was chucked out.
Paul Noble said it to me a few weeks ago in a little pioneer church in Fareham, but then was squeezed out.

No, most people who adopt the phrase Family Church try (possibly unknowingly) to mimic Graham Pulkingham, but without the Hebrews 4 slice down the middle of your being that he experienced on a cold crypt floor in the Church of the Redeemer Houston.
That Abraham too experienced as he looked at carcases split in two and saw a supernatural flaming torch hovering between them.
No Family Churches you don't yet have a clue. A Spirit family church is one where each individual has a Galatians 2:20 consciousness. The Fisherfolk who travelled around with Graham Pulkingham had an early measure of this and ministered out from it.
This is something only the Holy Spirit can work within us.
So in this context I include Kathy's recent experiences which she shared this weekend on Facebook.

• Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  Hi to every one. I have scrolled back and read all the posts here. A lot of great insights for sure ! Cathy I will be praying for you. But also for all here in this thread. I love what was said about agreeing to covenant prayer for each other. That was just beautiful ! Rich what you said here "and I know God is using her to wake many up in many ways right now, " You know I found the exact same thing right from the beginning with everything with Matthew as well. My mind has been blown away to even think on the amazing things that has happened since the day that Matthew was rushed to sick childrens that night. There has been relationships healed. People turning to prayer and admittedly saying they have seen God at work and these people would never of thought of praying or even mentioning "God" in any way before that day. There has been an overwhelming sense of love displayed between people that have not even spoken for years. It's like I have been standing in the background on the sidelines and just watching the incredible things the Lord has done in so many people's lives through all this. The most amazing thing is , my first husband whom I have not been with since 1979 remarried mamy years ago. And he has two children with his second wife. I have always received his new wife and children with love. Invited them to my home many times for family gatherings that involved our children etc.. BUT in all the years that they have been together his wife has always lived in fear that I wanted him back. Even though she was told many times that she has nothing to fear. She never in all the years would even speak to me. Her/their children would not speak to me even though they are my children's siblings. But through all this I have only ever shown love towards them. FINALLY, this new wife has come to the conclusion she has nothing to fear. First thing she did when at the hospital was hug me. BEFORE ANYONE ELSE. She is on my FB as is her children. They have been private messaging me all the time. The daughter has even been praying in private message with me. She seems to be reaching out to God through me. My son says about all this "about time, it only took 25 years for her to talk to you" lol BUT I know for what purposes there is , God our Father is working in this whole situation with Matthew in a lot more ways than I even know. I could tell at least ten stories or more of different things that have happened through all this. I definitely would never want this to happen to Matthew or anyone else but God definitely was and is moving upon everyone's hearts and lives.
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  02/11/2013 00:47
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  Also Rich I believe you are onto something about one after another having eye issues. A few days ago I was pondering about this. All the eye issue's. Like there is something God is wanting us to see. Or to open our seeing to deeper revelation. I have been pondering many things about this. This scripture you quoted really struck me. Especially the last sentence. " All of us, then, who are mature should take SUCH A VIEW of things. And if on some point (such as this one) you think differently, that too GOD WILL MAKE CLEAR to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:15-16 "
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  02/11/2013 01:16
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  Frances and Susan. I don't know if this will mean anything to you or not but I feel deeply that I must share something with you. So many many times over the years that I have been a Christian I have went through what I always used to call dry times. Times of silence. Not hearing a word. Not sensing nothing. Not feeling nothing. Just nothing. I USED TO think there was something wrong with me in these times. Sometimes these times of silence seemed to go on forever. To the point of even wondering whether to go on or not. But always something would all of a sudden happen that would break the silence. Sometimes it would just one word from Him. But always after these times I would be taken into a deeper revelation/relationship with the Lord. I have thought through all these things many times over and wondered about why we have to go through these most devastating times of silence. As I looked back over these times I have seen that during these times I go through changes. I begin to long to hear from the Lord. It is like after a time I get to a place where I care about nothing else except to hear from the Lord. It is like my heart lets go of life itself and in desperation and in deep deep longing cry out to the Lord. "I just want to hear you Lord" !!! And then I will !!!! When I least expect it and is always so overwhelming that I can hardly stand it. I have seen though at the other end of these times of silence there is deep spiritual growth. A seeing that I didn't see before. I have wondered why Lord? I believe our hearts have to be able to receive this deeper revelation. We have to be taken to a place where our only desire is Him. It is like we have to be "prepared" ahead of time to receive a deeper revelation . AND JUST NOW when I was pondering all that I was going to say here, I took a break and was thinking of all of it. I knew in my heart and mind what I wanted to say but didn't know how to say it WHEN IN AN INSTANT THE LORD SPOKE AND SAID "absence makes the heart grow stronger" !!!!!!! And I began to laugh and I mean literally laugh out loud and I said "short and sweet eh Lord?" What I take paragraphs to say you say in one short and sweet sentence !!! LOL But that is true. Exactly what I was trying to say in my many words !!! And then HE shows up !!!! I know I will go through many more times of silence as well. I no longer think there is anything wrong with me though. I just know I am in for a DEEPER REVELATION OF HIM !! A DEEPER RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM !!!!
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  02/11/2013 01:23
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  LIKE A LOVER LONGING FOR HER LOVE !!!
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  02/11/2013 01:54
  

  Frances N. MyGene Ashcroft
  

  
  

  Yes, Kathy!!! Beautiful longing..........given to us BY HIM....FOR HIM.....
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  02/11/2013 02:01
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  CORRECTION: When the Lord spoke He said "ABSENSE MAKES THE HEART GROW FONDER". I accidently put in the word stronger instead. It surely makes a difference in the intention of the times of silence with the word "fonder" and not "stronger",,,,,sorry
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  02/11/2013 04:03
  

  Nancy Gilmore
  

  
  

  Chris you ARE a form of Christ.
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  02/11/2013 14:08
  

  Susan SpecialGem Ryan
  

  
  

  Thank you Kathy. I was thinking after I posted this that I used the expression feeling ''dead'' but when I went to bed last night the Lord told me that I am isolated and this isolation feels as if I am cut off but inside there is also a great hope of what is coming. So what you say is verification of this. It seems that there is always a time of great testing (which I have had in the last two weeks) and yes at times you come to the point of thinking ''what am I doing wrong, have I missed it somewhere''' while it seems that the people in the circumstances are winning against us and we keep having to forgive and surrender and trust that no matter how things appear that it is not how it is spiritually. So no matter what thoughts come to my mind I just keep surrendering and asking the Lord to bring me through all of this and do something amazing that I could absolutely never have come up with myself! I don't want to be that smart--I want to see the Lord do this all even if it makes me appear that I am ''buying'' what is going on in the people who think they have all the control and ability to manipulate! I am loving the idea of God working in such a way that He is glorified through this! Me--I can just shut up for a change and stop trying to figure everything out for myself. Shut up and wait is what I need to do!!! I am doing it!
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  02/11/2013 15:06
  

  Frances N. MyGene Ashcroft
  

  
  

  Susan, hello. I can honestly relate to what you just shared. Chances are, we ALL here can relate, because we are ALL so connected .... I agree, that often we "appear" like outcasts....and maybe we are outcasts from the man-made system, but we are IN CHRIST, and truly, that's what matters most.

  When once I asked the Lord, "Where do I fit, Lord?" He said, " You fit perfectly IN ME". Selah.......
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  02/11/2013 15:14
  

  Cathy Rheeder
  

  
  

  Be-u-ti-ful Fran.
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  02/11/2013 16:42
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  Susan I love what you said "Me-I can just shut up for a change and stop trying to figure everything out for myself".. Because that is exactly what I did. And you know Frances is right. We ALL here go through the same things. And all feel the same way at times. It was when I gave up is when everything began to change for me. I just decided one night that I could do nothing. Say nothing. Think nothing. Just said to the Lord "I am your responsibility. I can't do it no more. And that is exactly where He wanted me to be. I just began to realize that He said He would finish the work He began in me and He is no liar. I looked up and said if you are creator of all that I see then surely you can finish the work you began in me. Then I just stopped trying. Just began to believe Him. That is also when I began to read The Jesus Secret that Daniel Yordy wrote and that truly helped to set me free from me. Now when I begin to have thoughts along the line of something being wrong with me etc. I just instantly say "NO" ! and purposely put my mind on other things. REFUSING to allow those negative thoughts to get a hold of my mind. I have had enough of that "crap" lol (my paraphrase) lol You know the old saying that when someone tells a lie and says it enough they actually begin to believe it is true? That is how the enemy deceives us. By telling us lies and after hearing them enough we begin to believe they are true. But they are still just lies. It also works the other way around. When we speak outloud what God says then we do begin to see it as True. The Jesus Secret is exceptional. I tried reading it all at once but then had to just do the daily day by day and saying outloud what God says. I really began to recognize the lies of the enemy. And there are many !!!! One thing I have come to SEE CLEARLY is that Jesus was crucified BEFORE the foundation of the world. The cross was finished. When our Father see's us HE SEE'S us IN the finished work of the Cross of Christ. We WERE (PAST TENSE) CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. WE WERE (past tense) resurrected WITH CHRIST. IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING. OUR LIFE IS HID IN CHRIST. Nothing can change that. Not the enemies lies. Not our emotions or how we feel at any given time. NOTHING. Jesus HAS COME AGAIN IN THE FLESH. WE are God's flesh in the world. When Jesus is silent to us it is only to bring us to a place of deep deep longing in order to bring us into a deeper revelation/relationship with Him. For a long long time I never really understood the Song of Songs. Have you seen my love? Why would Jesus hide from us? But there is one thing I have come to realize too. He is ALWAYS WITH US. We feel like He has left but HE is closer to us than anything even when He is silent. I have even stopped (for the most part) "praying" like I used to.. Now I talk to Jesus. In my normal way of speaking. I don't look for fancy words. I heard Him say to me "I've got this one Kathy" when I was deeply concerned about Matthew. Now when I begin to "worry" or be "fearful" I just say "you got this one right Lord". Instantly the fear leaves. Yesterday while at work there was some things that concerned me. And while I was pondering these things the Lord said "you are my responcibity. I will work it out my way" I stopped thinking about those things completely. Later in the day I saw the Lord "fix" those things. It was amazing. I began to laugh and said even "there ! I have nothing to worry about ! It's all up to the Lord to look after. Even the little little things". Instantly I heard Him say "this is between you and me Kathy. You tell no one". It was an amazing amazing day. Jesus showed me He is right here , right now , at all times. And even the little things is His ! He is a real person !!! He is real and WITHIN YOU AND WITHIN ME AND WITHIN ALL OF US !!! He will never leave us !!!! We belong to JESUS !!! And we are IN HIM AND HE IS IN THE FATHER !!! It is wonderful to have a REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM !!! Just talking like you would to anyone. No pretense. No phoniness. Just BEING ! He wants our heart. That's all. He accepts us AS IS. Period ! If you knew me personally in my living invironment here. There is NOTHING special about me. I sure don't LOOK or ACT spiritual. To me that is phoniness. I AM who I AM . That's all. I AM perfect because HE IS PERFECT IN ME. And that is WHO OUR FATHER SEE'S !!! And if someone comes to my door and my hair is messed up and I don't look my best . I don't care !!! It is JESUS IN ME that answers that door. And they are welcome to come in and see my messy house too !!! And if they are hungry they are welcome to have whatever I have. It all belongs to the Lord. It's just about being REAL !!! The ONLY thing I know for sure is we can't get comfortable in our spiritual growth. (and this is not about doing anything) it is just about KNOWING THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. For any that thinks "I have made it" and they get comfortable and stop seeking to go into a deeper more intimate relationship then they will just stay where they are. We will never come to the end of KNOWING GOD. For me those times of not hearing the Lord is the worst times ever !!!! But at the same time they are the best times, because even when it feels like I am hitting my head against a brick wall and I can't seem to break through, I know that my break through will come !!!! And I will see and know Him in a way I have never seen or known Him in my life !!! My last time of not hearing "much" lasted all most three years. I hated it. Kept wondering "why Lord?" BUT IT WAS THE BEGINING OF RECEIVING REVELATION OF THE THIRD LEVEL OF KNOWING !!!! Who knew??? I didn't !!!!! Before that I thought "what else is there Lord?" I know there is still MORE !!!! I also NOW SEE you can't put NEW WINE in OLD WINE SKINS !!! I had to get rid of the old wine skin first. This I know. Just before entering into this knew way of seeing. I got to the place where I didn't care if I lived or died. I just WANTED JESUS ! And that is when HE showed me a deeper revelation of HIM. I had broke through that brick wall AT LAST !!! There has been some major changes in how I live as well. Basically living in the moment. Paying attention the moments. The little things. This is becoming easier and easier. But at the same time I am SEEING Him more in the moments. Even for the past year (don't know how to explain it really) but little things that I desire or like. Without even thinking about it, I will receive it. Even if it is something I like to eat but can't afford it. I will all of a sudden see it at a greatly reduced price. And I know it is a gift from the Lord. Not that I need it. And not just about food. Just different little things in my every day life. It is as Daniel Yordy says. "We will have favor with God". Maybe I got too comfortable in the place I was in the second level of knowing God that it took three years of virtual silence to push me into the deeper level of knowing Him. And I know I am just in the beginning. But this I know that all through that time I could sense that there was MORE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW to know that MORE. It truly was like hitting my head against a brick wall. I kept saying there was more. That I was missing something but didn't know what I was missing?? It had to be a heart change for me. I had to let go of EVERYTHING. That no matter what , all I wanted was to know Jesus. I was still holding onto me. I was still "trying" to die to self. I didn't know I was already dead. I had been crucified with Christ on HIS CROSS. I was still believing the lies. And I am not saying it is like this for you or for anyone. I am just sharing what I went through and what I experienced in my hope that it helps someone. Even ONE. That is why it says to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We each have our own walk and our own relationship. And we are each unique. I pray that no one has to go through the hell I went through for those three years. But I will never forget the night that brick wall came crashing down all around me and I was set free and was now able to SEE reality ! Like I said I am still in the beginning of seeing but it is precept upon precept from Glory to Glory !! One step at a time. Sometimes feels like baby steps. Sometimes seems like taking two steps forward and one step back. But I am always moving forward. And some days I don't even want to get out of bed. All I want to do is stay in bed with the covers pulled over my head. There always seems to be so much turmoil going on around me. But I just have to remember that in the midst of the storm there is a SON OF GOD IN THE BOAT WITH ME ! And as He is in the world so am I !!! There are times when I still try to work things out myself. Those times are mostly failures. But the times when I truly truly just give it all to Jesus and let Him work it out. He has never never failed me yet. Might not always be exactly the way I wanted it. But is ALWAYS exactly right ! The thing that is getting easier and easier for me though is "casting down the lies of the accuser" . I heard the Lord say to me one afternoon while in my kitchen "satan has nothing in you". I believe it !!! He keeps trying though. Satan is a liar and a thief ! I like what that one sermon I listened to said "a thief never ever aquires ownership ! "
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  02/11/2013 17:36
  

  Annalize Mouton
  

  
  

  I so love what you shared here, Kathy!!!!!! Thank you so very much!
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  02/11/2013 17:53
  

  Susan SpecialGem Ryan
  

  
  

  Kathy, thank you. Everything you said is right. Have gone through all of those same emotions even finally saying I DON'T CARE WHETHER I LIVE OR DIE JUST WANT JESUS. Thank you for sharing this. I had so many challenges happen to me the last two weeks, that I got sick. I got the flu last night so I have no choice but to sit still and listen. But I still kept surrendering all this stuff to God and praying a blessing upon the people responsible and keep doing it until I have totally let this stuff all go. It will actually be kind of fun watching how all of this is worked out on my behalf!
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  02/11/2013 18:11
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  My heart is just so full of love for Jesus ! That is why I came back on just now. As I was putting around the house listening to a sermon, I just kept thinking of how very much I love Jesus. Then I realized the most important thing I wanted to say here but forgot to say was that through all of this ... the most important thing that has happened is that "I HAVE BEEN FALLING IN LOVE WITH JESUS" !!! It is like nothing I have ever experienced. I thought I loved Him before. It isn't about me ! Or anything in my life about me. It is all about Jesus ! It is like my heart is bursting wide open ! I see HIM differently. It is no longer about what He can do for me. Or anything else. It is about HIM. About who HE IS !! What HE HAS DONE ALREADY ! The only way I can describe it is that I have been filled with LOVE from the Father and From Jesus and ALL I WANT TO DO IS GIVE HIM THAT SAME LOVE !!! I want HIM to be all that HE INTENDED TO BE, and DEEPLY DESIRES TO BE IN ME AND IN YOU AND IN ALL OF US. You know in Daniels writing he said "no one gives a damn about God !!" At first this was surprising. But the more I thought about it I realized HOW TRUE THAT STATEMENT IS !! When I was "all about me" I had NO THOUGHTS about what God needed. Or desired. I didn't give a damn about God. I saw God as this unfeeling almighty God who didn't need feelings. Except I wanted Him to love me enough to give me every thing my heart desires "in this world". I feel literally ill to think about how I used to see my Heavenly Father !!! Now I truly see God as LOVE. He has DESIRES ! That is what I now care about ! And within those desires STANDS EACH ONE OF US !! Yes Daniel "I give a Damn about God" That has deffinately changed in my seeing. Since that one night that the wall came crashing down, I am seeing more and more God's LOVE for humanity. God's love for me. And something new. MY LOVE FOR HIM. It's incredible ! Can I say I really knew love before. Or walked in the true reality of His love. I don't know the answer to that question. But how did I get here without it in some measure. How did I deeply desire Jesus without Love. ONLY GOD !
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  02/11/2013 18:15
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  Susan I don't know if it is the same for you or not but when I came to the place of complete surrender , it wasn't me praying and giving anything to God. It was just saying "it's all yours". Then doing nothing. It is true what scripture says "be still and know that I am God". I was so at the end that I did nothing. I was empty. I did not even want to think any more so I stopped thinking. I refused to think anything. I refused to do anything. I just got up in the morning. Committed the day to Jesus and then went about my normal day. I was just tired. Too tired to even think. But it was in the doing nothing that I found total surrender. I'm nut successful in this all day every day. But it is getting better day by day. Now I want to think all the time. But only on Jesus and heavenly things !
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  02/11/2013 18:16
  

  Kathy McDonald
  

  
  

  suppose to say "I'm not successful in this all day every day." LOL maybe the word "nut" is better lol

  I love you Annalize. You have been such a blessing to me and to multitude other here. Some day I really would like to come visit you ! If God wills.
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  02/11/2013 18:21
  

  Annalize Mouton
  

  
  

  Would so love to have you visit me, Kathy!!!!! All of you!!!!
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  02/11/2013 18:24
  

  Nancy Gilmore
  

  
  

  and my door is always open but let me know so I can hire someone to come and clean, please!
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  02/11/2013 18:25
  

  Joan Reilly
  

  
  

  You all might as well settle you are coming to Las Vegas. I just know that!

  Okay????

  God's going to bring you!
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  02/11/2013 18:29
  

  Cathy Rheeder
  

  
  

  I identify with everything Kathy, yet not I but Christ. Love to u all.